Business trips

To all other forum subscribers, what's been your experience of business travel? I don't mean those for whom travel is the defining feature of their job, e.g. Lonely Planet guidebook writers, freelance salespeople etc. I mean people like me who work 9-17 in offices for whom a couple of nights away is a real break from routine.

In my office the amount of travel required of people varies enormously. On the one hand there are the Research scientists who (if you believe the hype) are constantly swanning around the world to present results at conferences. Whereas in Development, where I've worked since joining the office six years ago, it's a bit haphazard who gets to go on business trips. Some people, even if they don't speak a word of a foreign language, just happen to fall into projects where they get to go on all-expenses-paid trips abroad where they can network to their hearts' content. I, on the other hand, despite attending French and German conversation classes at lunchtime, have never travelled further afield than London.

It's all the more galling that I've twice had my hopes raised that I was in line for a business trip. The first time this happened was quite early on. In November of my first year in the job, just before I did a five-week residential course, my line manager L said he'd like to consider me for a conference in Portland, Oregon the following May. He made it sound a cert, so much so that I went as far as mentioning it to my parents and in some of the Christmas cards I sent that year. Then when I was back in the office after Christmas, I asked L to confirm the date of the Portland trip, and he looked embarrassed and said, "But we decided who was going to Portland long ago! Not you!" - apparently the decision had been made during the residential course but no-one had had the decency to inform me.

By this time I had a new line manager S, with L becoming my second review manager. It was S to whom I decided to disclose my Asperger's. I mention this here because one for S's recommendations for "reasonable adjustments" was that I be excluded from business trips as I didn't present a favourable impression - a recommendation supported by L. I was hurt and objected to being marginalised. L said: "You don't learn to swim by jumping in at the deep end", to which I said, "No, but you don't learn to swim by staying away from water either!"

The second time I had my hopes raised happened a year later. In my annual review with my second review manager (still L) I'd put down "to gain international experience" in the career aspirations box, and L said he would definitely consider me for a forthcoming conference in France. I heard nothing more until I overheard that one of my room-mates (who, incidentally, didn't speak French) had been chosen instead of me, or to be precise I overheard her booking her flights. On further investigation I learned that L had no authority to make such a promise. He had a bit of a reputation for promising first and checking the budget restraints afterwards. I was livid, as much as with myself for falling for it as with the boss.

Back in my present existence, I've recently had an assessment by a rep from KeyLearning (http://www.key4learning.com), among whose recommendations is that I be moved to a new post within the office. So I've been having discussions with HR's diversity advisor about my skills and interests. I have mentioned the business trips issue, albeit tentatively, because I don't want to come across as grasping, childish, whatever. Common sense would dictate that it's better to go for a job that's enjoyable on a day-to-day basis rather than a less enjoyable job with the odd freebie trip thrown in from time to time. Indeed, if I wasn't enjoying my day-to-day job, and hence not performing to full capacity, chances are I'd be even less likely to be considered for any jolly junkets - sorry, business trips.

And then there are the colleagues who assure me that business trips are no big deal really, nothing to get envious about, that at the end of the day they are about work, not holidays - which brings me back to the title of this thread!

I suppose my attitude towards business travel is coloured by my recent experiences of leisure travel (where, in the absence of any circle of friends, I'm forced to go on organised group holidays with total strangers, and each time hope against hope that we might keep in touch after the break). I can't help but think it must be so great to travel with people you already know and have something in common with, even if it's only your work. And it must be great to know people outside of the workplace who can understand your job.


Business Trips for Me

I haven't taken that many business trips. Most of the off campus events have been just for the day at places not too far. I did take a trip for a few days to go to a conference over at Atlantic City but that was a few years ago.

I'm not really into business trips that much. I don't like flying or travelling by myself. I'm not really a person to plan these type of things out that well. Sometimes I feel many business trips are useless since most of the topics discussed in these conferences don't always pertain to me or my position or even my workplace. They might apply better for other places or positions.

Honestly, if I was ever told I had to attend a conference on my own and fly there or travel long periods of time I think I would reject it.

My opinions might not necessary be agreeable to everyone else's here but I figure I would put in my two sense and personal feelings on the matter.

Public Speaking

I have never considered formal communications training, but may well do so as I think it could be very useful.

The best training I have had in this area has, once again, been through experience and actually doing it. It suits my learning style.

In a previous position I had to do a lot of introductory speaking at events. At first I was very nervous but, once I had got over that, it became not only very easy but hugely enjoyable. It also contributed significantly to my self-confidence.

From a perspective of my Asperger, it helped overcome many of the things I found most difficult: speaking to groups, communicating to a wide audience and overcoming internal self-doubt.

The key factor for me was preparation. I need to knowmy brief, be sure of what I am saying and so confident about delivering it. Above all, I practice beforehand to ensure that I know I can achieve this.

In a month's time I am going to give a presentation at a major event at BAFTA - the main UK Television and Film body in the UK. There will be over a hundred people there and it represents a real opportunity to raise my profile. I know I can do it and I am really looking forward to it.

For those starting out I think the best approach is to try and start small: look for opportunities where you can present issues to small groups of people and don't over expose yourself initially before you feel able. This way you can gradually build up.

I would try and encourage everyone to try though - it is enormously self-confidence boosting.

Communication

It's an idea I talk about too much, but can you take a communications course somewhere? Better yet would be public speaking. Toastmasters has helped a lot of people with self-expression. It's not a matter of changing your inner self, but the way you present yourself so your bosses and coworkers won't lose the message you're trying to send.

Line manager "S" (who

Line manager "S" (who incidentally was female) left the office a year after the incident I described. Her only explanation for my "unfavourable impression" was that I had an unconventional demeanour, manner of speaking and so on, although I was nice to get to know.

I never actually said that I was enjoying my job. Perhaps my grammar failed me at that point - the sentence beginning "Indeed, if I wasn't enjoying my job" was meant as a conditional statement about hypothetical future jobs, not an affirmation.

At the time I had my hopes raised and dashed regarding Portland and France, I rememember being particularly bugged by a section in my firm's guide to competencies. Here, "JL3" is the level immediately above me.

Working with others

Staff in JL3 posts will

  • develop mutually beneficial business and social networks
  • collaborate with others, sharing best practice, plans, information and resources as appropriate

It's difficult to see how someone whose job never brought them into contact with people outside the office could meet the first requirement. (Someone who joined the office at the same time as me was sent to the Portland conference and got promoted to JL3 as soon as she was back. Coincidence? You decide.) Certainly it struck me as discriminatory against Aspies and anyone else who doesn't make friends easily. Maybe that was one reason why that system of competencies was dropped later on.

There have been other changes in my working life since the French trip that wasn't. Nearly three years I was managed-moved to another team, one which has virtually no dealings with external customers, so envying jet-setting colleagues isn't an issue here. But there have been other problems, namely the way my colleagues have cold-shouldered me for my weirdness, which if anything has only felt worse since my colleagues underwent Asperger's awareness training last year. Hence Key4Learning's recommendation that I be moved again - and this time my team will all be informed of my Asperger's from the outset.

Business Trips

At the risk of taking this off-topic I have a very understanding boss (I think he used to work the samaritans help desk) and he has proven himself time and again supporting other people. That said I have decided never to disclose my AS. I close to my boss and am aware of some of the "back room" discussions that take place and I have witnessed that even though people can be understanding and provide all the support necassary day-to-day if it comes to the crunch those people who are "higher maintenance" get the short straw.

Sorry horrible mixed analogies there but hopefully you understand what I'm saying.

Back to your original point. I have travelled quite a lot with work and I HATE IT! For all the reasons you can imagine xenophobia, disruption of routine etc. However I have noticed that the people who want travel the most are the least likely to get it.

I don't think it's maliciousness on behalf of management but I do think there is a sub-conscious concern that people who actively want to travel shouldn't be allowed to because their focus won't be on the work.

Diagnosis & Work Advancement

Aeolionne

The issue of diagnosis and disclosure is very relevant and will impact on other things such as the travel issue.

Whether you have a ,diagnosis or choose to divulge your condition at work, is a personal one and dependent on specific circumstances.

You don't say whether you have a formal diagnosis, but do say that you will inform your new work colleagues. From what I have read this seems as though it coud well be a good move in your case.

Like Steve who has posted before, letting colleagues know that you have AS - if you are able - can be very helpful. If people understand why you are different,in the most will make allowances for it. This "may" reduce uncertainties in the eyes of others about you, especially if you can work closely with your line manager.

The latter is for me hugely important. The three companies I have worked most successfully in have all coincided with having a supportive manager.

In your new role I would quickly seriously gauge your new superior, consider whether you feel you can trust him/her and, if so, tell them all about it and what you need to work effectively.

I am not sure if you have read any of the topics under Business, Personal & Inter-personal on my site but, if not, ones' such as Managing Your Superior and Corporate Politics would be extremely useful for any person managing you to understand. It may also be worth looking at the To Tell Or Not To Tell Forum.

Good luck.

Malcolm

Overseas Business Trips

Aeolienne I can appreciate your desire for overseas business trips. You certainly have the right to know the reasons for the withdrawal of the offer in the past. My job has involved quite a lot of overseas business trips. I generally do not look forward to them, because they involve a lot of change of routine and lots of stessful socialising with strangers. On the positive side it can be fun to drink and chat with colleagues in exotic hotels. Unfortunately, my experience is that you rarely get much of a chance to see the sights (as a tourist would). I agree with Malcolm that the most important thing is to enjoy your job. I know that some people don't agree about disclosing AS at work, but my experience is that it has helped me to partially disclose to a few colleagues and managers. These people have a better understanding of what I find difficult and I feel more able to ask for support (e.g. checking content of my emails for correct tone). If you feel you would benefit from a move then I would go for it.

Business Trips - Importance Of

Two things come to mind from reading this.

Firstly, if you have asked your line manager why he feels you did not make a "favourable impression"?

I know that it can be hard, but learning from criticism is one of the most difficult - but also the most beneficial - things going forward.

If you can ascertain this, acknowledge it and learn from it, it would be a tremendous personal development asset!

Secondly, enjoying your job is the most important thing, which is what you say you do. Travel is not "that" important; in fact, after a while it can become tedious!

If you do feel that it would benefit your career development, and is something that you like to do, I would sit down with your manager and discuss it constructively.

Key to this is identifying why it is important for you and - importantly - the company. If you can convince them of the latter I suspect that you may well be successful.

It seems to me that in this

It seems to me that in this case, disclosing your AS has held you back. The managers have decided that because of some conditions that you have that from AS you cannot possibly be considered for traveling positions. Unfotunatly, one they think you are innappropriate, that is like the axe on the board in my experience.